calgirl
07-20 02:42 PM
Is there any way of knowing how much each user has contributed? (I am not interested in knowing about others ) but would be nice to know atleast for myself how much I contributed.
Thanks
Thanks
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Done, thank you for initiating this campaign.
Bonzer
08-08 07:10 PM
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My wife and I received similar emails (Card production ordered). I just posted in a diff thread. Our 10-yr wait is over.
PD - Nov 2004
I-140 - approved 03/05
I-485 - RD - 08/07, ND - 10/03
CP ordered - 08/08
(one year and one day since we applied for AOS)
I got an email today from USCIS stating this
Current Status: Card production ordered.
I did not receive any other approval notice. I hope this means that our 485 is approved and the cards have been ordered ?
My PD Is May 2003
My wife and I received similar emails (Card production ordered). I just posted in a diff thread. Our 10-yr wait is over.
PD - Nov 2004
I-140 - approved 03/05
I-485 - RD - 08/07, ND - 10/03
CP ordered - 08/08
(one year and one day since we applied for AOS)
I got an email today from USCIS stating this
Current Status: Card production ordered.
I did not receive any other approval notice. I hope this means that our 485 is approved and the cards have been ordered ?
My PD Is May 2003
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BrazilianCitizen
06-06 02:05 AM
EB2 - PD: Dec/2004 - filed June/4. I will let you guys know when I receive the receipt notice.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Thanks for starting this thread.
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samrat_bhargava_vihari
06-11 05:33 PM
I think the answer is yes, we will get our EAD and AP.
USCIS only looks at your PD while they issue case number (when you file for 485) and next when they approve your case (they issue your GC)
they will issue an EAD and AP for all pending applications. EAD and AP don't need PD. as long as you have a case pending with USCIS you can get new/renewed EAD and AP
bostonqa is right
USCIS only looks at your PD while they issue case number (when you file for 485) and next when they approve your case (they issue your GC)
they will issue an EAD and AP for all pending applications. EAD and AP don't need PD. as long as you have a case pending with USCIS you can get new/renewed EAD and AP
bostonqa is right
ssingh92
01-13 08:16 PM
I am trying to switch employer. The job title and job description is similar what written in my I140. At least 75% job duties are included in new job duties. But none of new employers where I found employment ready to write job duties. What is the other way to show that I am doing similar job duties. Should I keep scree shot of JOB add? Any idea.
Also my current EAD will expire in Aug,2011 I have to file extension in April. Employer asks if extension is denied... How to explain new employers.
If job title is exactly same as written in I140/labour does it still require to show job duties written by employer to USICS.
Thanks in advance.
Also my current EAD will expire in Aug,2011 I have to file extension in April. Employer asks if extension is denied... How to explain new employers.
If job title is exactly same as written in I140/labour does it still require to show job duties written by employer to USICS.
Thanks in advance.
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viveckj99
10-02 03:32 PM
I am still waiting for I 485 RN :( July 16 filed at Nebrasks signed by R. Pitcher
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desi3933
07-10 12:24 AM
@desi3933:
1. From tax standpoint, W2 means the company (could be fully/partly owned by you) is paying tax-at-source. On 1099, *you* do the taxes and hence the hourly rate on 1099 is typically more than that on W2. Yes, you can be an owner of a corporation and file taxes as as a C-Corp or an S-Corp on W2, but not as a "Self-employed."
2. Yes, I-140 is for "permanent" (definition needed) and FT job, since the sponsoring company has always an "intent" to hire the petitioner in the future. *But* AC21 provision helps you to change employers after 180 days of filing I-485, if your I-140 is approved. The new job has to be "same or similar" to the occupation your I-140 petition was filed for. The "permanent" intent of the original employer disappears under AC21 because you changed employers (or your original employer withdrew I-140, even though he had genuine "intent" at the time of I-140 filing to hire you in the future). I agree that "any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations," but the Yates memo gives you the AC21 provision, which was a law signed by Pres. Bush.
3. It is wrong to *infer* that "AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time." As I say in 2. above, the employer who filed your I-140 should have intent, *at I-140 filing time*, to hire you in the future. And that intent is not needed after 180 days of filing I-485 *and* approved I-140, regardless of whether your original employer continues or withdraws your I-140 petition.
4. You're wrong in your example of "A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job." I've often seen the "6-month contracts" getting extended to 1, 2, 3 years or indefinitely. Similarly, a "permanent" job may last a few months (e.g., because of a recession).
5. It is true that "all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers," but H-1B (compared with, say TN-1) is a dual intent visa. Once you file I-140, your intent (whether on H1 or EAD) becomes not that of a temporary visitor but as the one seeking a permanent stay in this country.
6. Again, it's wrong to assume that "most of full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature." And even if they were permanent, in what sense?
I think we're running into into two issues here. The first one is related to semantics--i.e., what constitutes a "permanent" job? The second one is the *inference/assumption* that, because because I-140 requires you to be on a permanent, FT job (=sponsoring employer has "intent" to hire you in the future), your employment under AC21 provision should be "permanent".
1. You can be self employed on c-corp as well. Please go to bank of your choice and you will get the answer. I do have business accounts and speaking from my own experience.
2. Here is one RFE issued by USCIS. This should answer that AC-21 job must be permanent and match your labor/I-140
If you will no longer be employed by the original Form I-140 petitioner, you may still be eligible to adjust your status under the visa portability provisions of section 106� of the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21), Public Law 106-313. This legislation permits certain adjustment applications to change employers without filing a new immigrant visa petition, provided they are:
The beneficiary of an immigrant petition approved under section 204(a)(1)(F) of the Act (previously 204(a)(1)(D)), AND The application for adjustment has been pending for more than 180 days, AND the new permanent position is in the same or similar occupational classification as the original employment.
If you now claim such eligibility, submit a letter from your new employer, describing your present job duties and position in the organization, your proffered position (if different from your current one), the date you began employment and the offered salary or wage. This letter must be in the original and signed by an executive or officer of the organization who is authorized to make or confirm an offer of permanent employment. The letter should also indicate whether the terms and conditions of your employment-based visa petition (or labor certification) continue to exist.
3. See point 2.
4. Contract extension does not mean job is permanent. And, yes, 6 year contract job is temporary in nature. Permanent job can not have end date. Period.
5. Dual intent visa means that it can be issued even if I-140 or I-130 has been filed on your behalf. Nothing more than that. GC job is independent of H-1B job.
6. Again, Permanent job is a job that is expected to last unknown term and is not defined for a period. H-1B job is not permanent since they have end date specified by LCA and H-1B visa petition.
7. Here is a case for I-140 that was denied, since offered I-140 job was not permanent full-time job. Read for yourself
Link to case (http://www.uscis.gov/err/B6%20-%20Skilled%20Workers,%20Professionals,%20and%20Oth er%20Workers/Decisions_Issued_in_2009/Jan022009_06B6203.pdf)
____________________
Not a legal advice.
1. From tax standpoint, W2 means the company (could be fully/partly owned by you) is paying tax-at-source. On 1099, *you* do the taxes and hence the hourly rate on 1099 is typically more than that on W2. Yes, you can be an owner of a corporation and file taxes as as a C-Corp or an S-Corp on W2, but not as a "Self-employed."
2. Yes, I-140 is for "permanent" (definition needed) and FT job, since the sponsoring company has always an "intent" to hire the petitioner in the future. *But* AC21 provision helps you to change employers after 180 days of filing I-485, if your I-140 is approved. The new job has to be "same or similar" to the occupation your I-140 petition was filed for. The "permanent" intent of the original employer disappears under AC21 because you changed employers (or your original employer withdrew I-140, even though he had genuine "intent" at the time of I-140 filing to hire you in the future). I agree that "any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations," but the Yates memo gives you the AC21 provision, which was a law signed by Pres. Bush.
3. It is wrong to *infer* that "AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time." As I say in 2. above, the employer who filed your I-140 should have intent, *at I-140 filing time*, to hire you in the future. And that intent is not needed after 180 days of filing I-485 *and* approved I-140, regardless of whether your original employer continues or withdraws your I-140 petition.
4. You're wrong in your example of "A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job." I've often seen the "6-month contracts" getting extended to 1, 2, 3 years or indefinitely. Similarly, a "permanent" job may last a few months (e.g., because of a recession).
5. It is true that "all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers," but H-1B (compared with, say TN-1) is a dual intent visa. Once you file I-140, your intent (whether on H1 or EAD) becomes not that of a temporary visitor but as the one seeking a permanent stay in this country.
6. Again, it's wrong to assume that "most of full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature." And even if they were permanent, in what sense?
I think we're running into into two issues here. The first one is related to semantics--i.e., what constitutes a "permanent" job? The second one is the *inference/assumption* that, because because I-140 requires you to be on a permanent, FT job (=sponsoring employer has "intent" to hire you in the future), your employment under AC21 provision should be "permanent".
1. You can be self employed on c-corp as well. Please go to bank of your choice and you will get the answer. I do have business accounts and speaking from my own experience.
2. Here is one RFE issued by USCIS. This should answer that AC-21 job must be permanent and match your labor/I-140
If you will no longer be employed by the original Form I-140 petitioner, you may still be eligible to adjust your status under the visa portability provisions of section 106� of the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21), Public Law 106-313. This legislation permits certain adjustment applications to change employers without filing a new immigrant visa petition, provided they are:
The beneficiary of an immigrant petition approved under section 204(a)(1)(F) of the Act (previously 204(a)(1)(D)), AND The application for adjustment has been pending for more than 180 days, AND the new permanent position is in the same or similar occupational classification as the original employment.
If you now claim such eligibility, submit a letter from your new employer, describing your present job duties and position in the organization, your proffered position (if different from your current one), the date you began employment and the offered salary or wage. This letter must be in the original and signed by an executive or officer of the organization who is authorized to make or confirm an offer of permanent employment. The letter should also indicate whether the terms and conditions of your employment-based visa petition (or labor certification) continue to exist.
3. See point 2.
4. Contract extension does not mean job is permanent. And, yes, 6 year contract job is temporary in nature. Permanent job can not have end date. Period.
5. Dual intent visa means that it can be issued even if I-140 or I-130 has been filed on your behalf. Nothing more than that. GC job is independent of H-1B job.
6. Again, Permanent job is a job that is expected to last unknown term and is not defined for a period. H-1B job is not permanent since they have end date specified by LCA and H-1B visa petition.
7. Here is a case for I-140 that was denied, since offered I-140 job was not permanent full-time job. Read for yourself
Link to case (http://www.uscis.gov/err/B6%20-%20Skilled%20Workers,%20Professionals,%20and%20Oth er%20Workers/Decisions_Issued_in_2009/Jan022009_06B6203.pdf)
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pappu
03-12 07:40 AM
Well, I am not annonymous and not ran away :). I read all the posts here and having a sense of "belonging". And the word "helpless" comes to mind.
Thank you ALL for responding to my post.
I also sent an email to my congress-women and lets see if go through.
Thanks again to all of you out there.
Thanks for responding.
Pls consider adding your story in the thread http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1940
Pls update your profile with your contact information and name so that we can get your plight published and make some impact via media. Thanks for being part of the struggle. This community understands your plight and we are also in the same boat. Lets use this energy to work on IV action items and enable a change in the broken immigration system.
Thank you ALL for responding to my post.
I also sent an email to my congress-women and lets see if go through.
Thanks again to all of you out there.
Thanks for responding.
Pls consider adding your story in the thread http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1940
Pls update your profile with your contact information and name so that we can get your plight published and make some impact via media. Thanks for being part of the struggle. This community understands your plight and we are also in the same boat. Lets use this energy to work on IV action items and enable a change in the broken immigration system.
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apb
08-13 05:21 PM
It is a hard fact but I guess I do not want to scare anyone. If you notice some people have got their JuLY 2ND filed cases receipt # and most of them have a Notice date of 08/04/2007 (the guys who got their receipt #). This notice date is the day the Receipt was generated. So today is 08/13/2007. It seems that USCIS is delaying this process of issuing receipts as that will give them a chance to reject applications after 17th. So I guess we should brace ourselves for rejection notices also......
Raybarrone - The way one think is our choice. If there is any big master plan to delay our RN so be it. Either we can take it as it is or we can act. These kinds of pessimistic thinking helps no body.
Please help yourself by reading some PMA books.
Here is a starter
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Have some good self talk. We have to Learn to respect ourself by NOT taking any crap handed out to us. Learn to FIGHT and uplift yourself and others. A man without any reason to FIGHT has lost all battles in life. He has no hope and he cannot create any change.
And if what I say does not make any sense, please feel free to 'BRACE FOR REJECTION NOTICES...' if that helps.
Raybarrone - The way one think is our choice. If there is any big master plan to delay our RN so be it. Either we can take it as it is or we can act. These kinds of pessimistic thinking helps no body.
Please help yourself by reading some PMA books.
Here is a starter
AS a man thinketh
Have some good self talk. We have to Learn to respect ourself by NOT taking any crap handed out to us. Learn to FIGHT and uplift yourself and others. A man without any reason to FIGHT has lost all battles in life. He has no hope and he cannot create any change.
And if what I say does not make any sense, please feel free to 'BRACE FOR REJECTION NOTICES...' if that helps.
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PlainSpeak
02-23 08:57 AM
It is frustrating to see that there is a campaign going on to allow for 485 filing even when pd is current and another thread running that says another fiasco would be bad .... everybody talks/writes/feels only as "what benefits them is good, everything else is not worthwhile or bad"
True the chance of another July 2007 happening is very dim as USCIS has learnt their lesson. Also they have a better estimation of the pending count.
I myself have EAD and i support 485 filing without priority date getting current. Even though in the final GC scheme of things that puts a whole bunch of more peope ahead of me, I still support it. At least an EAD lets you chnage a job after 180 days albeit in the same job specification.
Maybe IV Core has some idea about that (485 filing without PD current) and how it will pan out. Talk to them
True the chance of another July 2007 happening is very dim as USCIS has learnt their lesson. Also they have a better estimation of the pending count.
I myself have EAD and i support 485 filing without priority date getting current. Even though in the final GC scheme of things that puts a whole bunch of more peope ahead of me, I still support it. At least an EAD lets you chnage a job after 180 days albeit in the same job specification.
Maybe IV Core has some idea about that (485 filing without PD current) and how it will pan out. Talk to them
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desi3933
01-30 01:57 PM
Let me add my 2 cents here -
1. There is no rule that H1 status expires after 1 year of no use. The key word here is H1 status.
2. If the person is in US, then he/she 60 days to start working on H1 job else apply for change of status (or leave US and re-enter on some other visa).
3. If the person is entering US on H1 visa, then he/she has 30 days to start working on H1 job.
4. Within 30 days of start working, person should get his/her first paycheck.
5. By not working on H1 job, you are out of status since Oct 1st. (there is no grace period for out status. However, out of status does NOT mean illegal presence as long as I-94 date is not expired or USCIS has made the determination that you are out of status.
6. 3/10 year bar applies for illegal presence and not for out of status.
Good Luck.
____________________
Not a legal advice.
US Citizen of Indian Origin
1. There is no rule that H1 status expires after 1 year of no use. The key word here is H1 status.
2. If the person is in US, then he/she 60 days to start working on H1 job else apply for change of status (or leave US and re-enter on some other visa).
3. If the person is entering US on H1 visa, then he/she has 30 days to start working on H1 job.
4. Within 30 days of start working, person should get his/her first paycheck.
5. By not working on H1 job, you are out of status since Oct 1st. (there is no grace period for out status. However, out of status does NOT mean illegal presence as long as I-94 date is not expired or USCIS has made the determination that you are out of status.
6. 3/10 year bar applies for illegal presence and not for out of status.
Good Luck.
____________________
Not a legal advice.
US Citizen of Indian Origin
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07-09 03:45 PM
Hi,
I talked to Washington Post journalist. She asked me about my life in US. Do I regret being in US? What is the problem with current US immigration system? Why send flowers? Which flowers?
Cheers
I talked to Washington Post journalist. She asked me about my life in US. Do I regret being in US? What is the problem with current US immigration system? Why send flowers? Which flowers?
Cheers
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03-05 05:48 PM
I landed in Jan08 thru Windsor border in Michigan. I drove in my car to CA. You'll go to the immigration officer who'll check your landing docs, and then ask you to sign the landing document. Then show them the proof of funds. I had a cashier's check for the amount. Then you'll be asked for an address in CA. If asked tell them you are planning to settle at the address. If you say you are returning to US, they'll not give you the PR card saying when you come to live in CA they'll issue it. I made that mistake. They stamp your passport with the entry stamp. Without a PR card you can't enter CA at an airport. Your only option is driving to CA thru a land border. They'll let you in with just the stamp on the PP. Fortunately I live close to Windsor border.
As someone pointed out, you'll then go to customs, where they'll check the goods you are bringing or plan to bring later. There are 2 different forms for 'bringing goods with you' and 'goods to follow'. Make sure you fill in all the item in your home on the 'goods to follow' with some details like model number, etc. If you are not planning to live to CA, don't fill anything on the 'bringing goods form.
and ur 485 is pending...that is the main questions here?????
As someone pointed out, you'll then go to customs, where they'll check the goods you are bringing or plan to bring later. There are 2 different forms for 'bringing goods with you' and 'goods to follow'. Make sure you fill in all the item in your home on the 'goods to follow' with some details like model number, etc. If you are not planning to live to CA, don't fill anything on the 'bringing goods form.
and ur 485 is pending...that is the main questions here?????
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desi3933
07-10 09:08 AM
Section 245
8 CFR PART 245 -- ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE
http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cf90b70814c3464912a08093ce96e 83c
8 CFR PART 245 -- ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE
http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cf90b70814c3464912a08093ce96e 83c
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08-07 12:45 PM
when you are able to view the back side of the checks, could you please let us know if they have SRC or LIN for the receipt numbers? That would help lots of users here answer their question about what service center is processing transfer cases...
Its LIN. strangly it says 'we received the case on July 31st, 2007..' I hope the RD is July 2nd and the ND is July 31st.!!??
Its LIN. strangly it says 'we received the case on July 31st, 2007..' I hope the RD is July 2nd and the ND is July 31st.!!??
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What are the steps to be taken after receiving GC ?
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Java /J2EE Developer(GC and Citizen Only)
Norristown, PA
Unable to accept visa's at this time. US Citizens and Green card holders are encouraged to apply.
The successful candidate will have 3+ years of experience developing and testing web-based applications, As a member of a project team, the Java Developer will assume various roles including design, code and test roles.
The Information Technology Department delivers superior customer experiences through the Exclusively Inhouse development and support of front and back office systems while focusing on IT's four core values: Partnership, Excellence, Innovation and Efficiency.
IT Development is responsible for all aspects of software application delivery and maintenance, including business analysis, technical design, software development, vendor management, quality assurance, implementation and support.
Responsibilities
Work with other members of the project team and business owners to refine and clarify business requirements.
Code and test software to meet standards and within acceptable defect tolerances of design specifications.
Support and review the work of other developers.
Communicate and document status to project leadership.
Work with IT and business test groups to support quality and acceptance tests.
Assign development activities to self and other developers. Track progress of assigned activities.
Ensure that all code retains logical stability, reliability, confidentiality, and integrity of Medicals systems is in accordance with Medical policies, procedures and guidelines, taking appropriate actions for all violations
Java /J2EE Developer(GC and Citizen Only)
Norristown, PA
Unable to accept visa's at this time. US Citizens and Green card holders are encouraged to apply.
The successful candidate will have 3+ years of experience developing and testing web-based applications, As a member of a project team, the Java Developer will assume various roles including design, code and test roles.
The Information Technology Department delivers superior customer experiences through the Exclusively Inhouse development and support of front and back office systems while focusing on IT's four core values: Partnership, Excellence, Innovation and Efficiency.
IT Development is responsible for all aspects of software application delivery and maintenance, including business analysis, technical design, software development, vendor management, quality assurance, implementation and support.
Responsibilities
Work with other members of the project team and business owners to refine and clarify business requirements.
Code and test software to meet standards and within acceptable defect tolerances of design specifications.
Support and review the work of other developers.
Communicate and document status to project leadership.
Work with IT and business test groups to support quality and acceptance tests.
Assign development activities to self and other developers. Track progress of assigned activities.
Ensure that all code retains logical stability, reliability, confidentiality, and integrity of Medicals systems is in accordance with Medical policies, procedures and guidelines, taking appropriate actions for all violations
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06-17 12:18 PM
Mailed to NSC on: May 31st.
Mailed From State: AZ
Received at NSC on: June 1st
Transferred to TSC on: ?
140 approved from : CSC
Receipt Date :?:confused:
Notice date :?
Mailed to NSC on: May 31st.
Mailed From State: AZ
Received at NSC on: June 1st
140 approved from : CSC
Receipt Date : Received (by lawyers) on Jun 16th.
Mailed From State: AZ
Received at NSC on: June 1st
Transferred to TSC on: ?
140 approved from : CSC
Receipt Date :?:confused:
Notice date :?
Mailed to NSC on: May 31st.
Mailed From State: AZ
Received at NSC on: June 1st
140 approved from : CSC
Receipt Date : Received (by lawyers) on Jun 16th.
HumHongeKamiyab
12-16 05:50 PM
Appreciate your quick response.
If you cant get a copy of everything (if you ask the attorney directly you should be able ot get a copy of the complete filing) try to get:
- copy of LC or atleast the section that describes the skills
- copy of employment verification letter which describes skills
original I-140 typically stays with employer. trhey might give youa copy of the approval notice...
If you cant get a copy of everything (if you ask the attorney directly you should be able ot get a copy of the complete filing) try to get:
- copy of LC or atleast the section that describes the skills
- copy of employment verification letter which describes skills
original I-140 typically stays with employer. trhey might give youa copy of the approval notice...
knnmbd
05-07 04:18 PM
Another warning. We will not tolerate flaming wars or denigrating posts.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
That's exactly what I was talking about. We are not going to have a law that will benefit all of us immediately, but could indirectly and also could take a while to see the effects of it. This does not mean that we try to stall such bills or exclaim that things are not fair as it does not benefit a certain group of people. We need to know that the law makers are at least smarter than all of us here and when they do things they do it with certain reasons and we need to respect that.
All of us also have to remember that though we might me in the top 10% of this countries intellectual communities we are still all foreigners here and we should of course lobby our cause (like IV is currently doing such a great job of) and leave the rest of the burden to the law makers. I am sure they too have people to answer to and what ever law they pass will have to justifiable.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
That's exactly what I was talking about. We are not going to have a law that will benefit all of us immediately, but could indirectly and also could take a while to see the effects of it. This does not mean that we try to stall such bills or exclaim that things are not fair as it does not benefit a certain group of people. We need to know that the law makers are at least smarter than all of us here and when they do things they do it with certain reasons and we need to respect that.
All of us also have to remember that though we might me in the top 10% of this countries intellectual communities we are still all foreigners here and we should of course lobby our cause (like IV is currently doing such a great job of) and leave the rest of the burden to the law makers. I am sure they too have people to answer to and what ever law they pass will have to justifiable.
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